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Odeslatod XSC v 29.6.2005 8:46

ĐURO ĐAKOVIĆ napsal:But the tram used this street in the past, didn´t it?

Yes it did. But it was before the pedestrian zone was built. Also there were arcades builded in houses on this street. But now these arcades were changed back to shops.
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Odeslatod syverin v 29.6.2005 1:10

Excuse me for answering in english but I do not feel myself like I was able to write anything in German (In opposite of Pawel's skills)
ĐURO ĐAKOVIĆ napsal:Gab es in Prag nicht auch einmal ein O-Busnetz?

Sure there was. First trolley-bus appeared on its route between Vozovna Střešovice and Svatý Matěj on 29th August 1936. For this very first line three cars from three main CZ producers -Škoda, Tatra and Praga- were delivered. Next route opened in 1939 on line to Waltrovka, a strategic factory for aeroplane equipment. After the war, the network raised quickly and in 1959-1960 there were 174 trolley buses for 11 lines and about 60km of network. Then in consequences to cheap soviet fuel and evacuation plans in case of nuclear war the trolley-buses were found useless. First closed line was 51 in 1959, the oldest one from year 1936, that never had any connection to other network, the last closed was 51 as well:), a new route made between Orionka and Stadion Jih, on 16.10.1972. Still, Prague has 70 meters of a trolley-bus line and one functional trolleybus, both in the tram-museum.
Wenn die Strecke Muzeum - Hauptbahnhof reaktiviert werden sollte, ist dann auch mit dem Wiederaufbau zwischen Muzeum und I.P. Pavlova zu rechnen?

In fact there is no line to be re-opened without building a long part of route. The rails you mean may be those left from the route near Hauptbahnhof but they are very shortened and now disconnected to other network. However, there are no plans to build the route in Mezibranská street again because of the existing parallel route in street Škrétova.
Warum stellte man die Strecken in der Innenstadt ein, wenn man gleichzeitig in den Vororten den Parallelverkehr von Metro und Straßenbahn duldete? Aus dem gleichen Prestigedenken wie auch in der BRD, also um eine straßenbahnfreie Innenstadt zu schaffen?
Und seit wann macht man sich ernsthaft Gedanken, die Strecken wieder aufzubauen? Sie wurden ja größtenteils erst in den 80ern stillgelegt. :?:
Danke!

Yes, that is right. When Prague had all three lines of Metro in 1985, there was no place for trams in the city-centre any more. After the revolution in 1989 some people realized that a mistake was made and from the middle of 90's there are serious plans to build the routes again. No matter how long they were closed, if there is a need of them.

Hope I've helped you a bit
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Odeslatod ĐURO ĐAKOVIĆ v 28.6.2005 23:39

[...]3-Because all is just plan, there is no wide public discussion about returning trams. There are some discussion between politics, because Na Příkopě is commercially very lucrative street. In fact, there are more tourists than Prag inhabitans there... Pedestrian zone is also problem, but bigger problem is that 28.října street (between Václavské náměstí and Národní třída) is quite narrow.

But the tram used this street in the past, didn´t it?


Because A and B metro line is very deeply builded, tram line in centre parallel to metro line is not the biggest problem. In this case tram can serve better for local transport then metro.


I totally agree with you. A tram would mean shorter distances between the stops at the surface and a dense network of public transport in the centre. Metro and tram are supposed to fulfill different traffic flows.

In Germany this understandig is not very common; the opening of a metro line means the closure of parallel tram lines - sometimes of all the whole tram network in the area around the metro. :cry:
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Odeslatod ĐURO ĐAKOVIĆ v 28.6.2005 23:26

pawel napsal:
Anonymous napsal:bist Du deutscher Muttersprachler? :lol:
nööö :D

Pläne -> freilich, schreib mir die Adresse hier ins Forum


Dann kann ich nur den Hut ziehen. :D

Meine Adresse:
djakovic@gmx.de

Gab es in Prag nicht auch einmal ein O-Busnetz?

Wenn die Strecke Muzeum - Hauptbahnhof reaktiviert werden sollte, ist dann auch mit dem Wiederaufbau zwischen Muzeum und I.P. Pavlova zu rechnen?

Warum stellte man die Strecken in der Innenstadt ein, wenn man gleichzeitig in den Vororten den Parallelverkehr von Metro und Straßenbahn duldete? Aus dem gleichen Prestigedenken wie auch in der BRD, also um eine straßenbahnfreie Innenstadt zu schaffen?
Und seit wann macht man sich ernsthaft Gedanken, die Strecken wieder aufzubauen? Sie wurden ja größtenteils erst in den 80ern stillgelegt. :?:

Danke!
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Odeslatod pawel v 28.6.2005 20:16

Anonymous napsal:bist Du deutscher Muttersprachler? :lol:
nööö :D

Pläne -> freilich, schreib mir die Adresse hier ins Forum
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Odeslatod XSC v 28.6.2005 17:40

Ðuro Ðakovic napsal:[url]1-http://tram-forum.prazsketramvaje.cz//files/bohnice_a_suchdol.gif[/url] Are the plans shown on this map realistic?

2-Will there be a tram line in Hybernská again, if TT Náměstí Republiky - Národní Třída is built? What about the old route in Na Florenci?

3-What is the public opinion about the revival of the tram in the centre? Na Příkopě is a pedestrian precinct today, isn´t it? In Germany this would cause lots of problems for the tram. And new tram lines which run parallel to the underground would be impossible. :cry:
@ all:
Thanks for your detailed information. :D

1-No this is one user fiction. In fact people in Bohnice vote against trams. Line to Suchdol is in plans, but only as a possibility for feature.
2-There are no plans for lines in Hybernská and Na Florenci.
3-Because all is just plan, there is no wide public discussion about returning trams. There are some discussion between politics, because Na Příkopě is commercially very lucrative street. In fact, there are more tourists than Prag inhabitans there... Pedestrian zone is also problem, but bigger problem is that 28.října street (between Václavské náměstí and Národní třída) is quite narrow.
Because A and B metro line is very deeply builded, tram line in centre parallel to metro line is not the biggest problem. In this case tram can serve better for local transport then metro.
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Odeslatod Návštěvník v 28.6.2005 16:57

pawel napsal:Viele Informationen über die Prager Straßenbahn-, Bus- und U-Bahnlinien kann man auch unter http://vetinari.wz.cz finden. Linienpläne gibt's da leider nur vom Anfang der 20.Jh., ausführliche Linienübersichte ("Přehled linek" in der linken Spalte) mit den wichtigsten Haltestellen der jeweiligen Linie könnten doch hilfreich sein.

In dem Anhang ist noch ein kleiner Stadtplan vom Jahre 1965, den ich irgendwo gefunden und in mein Computer gespeichert hab - den Link kenne ich leider nicht mehr. Dann hab ich noch Netzpläne von 1936, 1941 und 42, die aber zu groß sind (so große Anhänge sind nicht erlaubt), also die kann ich nur per Mail verschicken.


Pawel,

bist Du deutscher Muttersprachler? :lol:

Könntest Du mir die Pläne schicken, wenn ich Dir eine e-mail-Adresse gebe?
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Odeslatod Ðuro Ðakovic v 28.6.2005 16:53

http://tram-forum.prazsketramvaje.cz//files/bohnice_a_suchdol.gif Are the plans shown on this map realistic?

Will there be a tram line in Hybernská again, if TT Náměstí Republiky - Národní Třída is built? What about the old route in Na Florenci?

What is the public opinion about the revival of the tram in the centre? Na Příkopě is a pedestrian precinct today, isn´t it? In Germany this would cause lots of problems for the tram. And new tram lines which run parallel to the underground would be impossible. :cry:


@ all:
Thanks for your detailed information. :D [/quote]
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Odeslatod Pajda v 28.6.2005 13:11

M_V napsal:.............. a co já si myslím o dočasnosti smyčky na Barrandově...? Sovětská vojska tu taky byla jen dočasně :D

V současné době se řeší prodloužení TT do Holyně, pak bude následovat změna územního plánu a snad za 10 let tam bude tramvaj jezdit.
Smyčku na Barrandově požaduje prý DP zachovat.
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Odeslatod pawel v 28.6.2005 10:48

Viele Informationen über die Prager Straßenbahn-, Bus- und U-Bahnlinien kann man auch unter http://vetinari.wz.cz finden. Linienpläne gibt's da leider nur vom Anfang der 20.Jh., ausführliche Linienübersichte ("Přehled linek" in der linken Spalte) mit den wichtigsten Haltestellen der jeweiligen Linie könnten doch hilfreich sein.

In dem Anhang ist noch ein kleiner Stadtplan vom Jahre 1965, den ich irgendwo gefunden und in mein Computer gespeichert hab - den Link kenne ich leider nicht mehr. Dann hab ich noch Netzpläne von 1936, 1941 und 42, die aber zu groß sind (so große Anhänge sind nicht erlaubt), also die kann ich nur per Mail verschicken.
Nemáte oprávnění prohlížet přiložené soubory..
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Odeslatod XSC v 28.6.2005 8:37

Anonymous napsal:http://www.metroweb.cz/tram/navrhyTT.htm


This is the project, I´m really interested in. I think these would be reactivations of old tram routes, which were closed due to the inauguration of the metro, right?

Is the schedule (2009-2011) realistic? Is it already agreed by the town council? I would be very glad, if the tram came back to the heart of Prague.

Do you know any links to historic maps of the Prague tram network? The oldest I know is from 1981 ( http://people.freenet.de/pragstraba/images/Bauplan/Prag_1981.gif).
Was there a tram route between Central Station and Muzeum before metro line A was opened?

Do you know any lists of closes tram routes in Prague?

Are there any plans to close tram lines in Prague (e.g. because of new metro routes)?

Thanks! :)

-TT Muzeum - Můstek was closed in 1980 (substituted by metro line A), TT Náměstí Republiky - Národní Třída was closed in 1985 (metro line B).
-2009-2011 may be technically realistic, but it's more political then technical problem. Town council doesn't resolve it yet. Maybe only TT Muzeum - Vodickova (middle of Vaclavske namesti) will be built.
-There was tram route between Muzeum and Central railway station, closed in 1978, substituted by metro line C. There are some project to build this line again.
-Informations about closed lines are on http://www.prazsketramvaje.cz, but in Czech.
-There are no plans to close tram line. New metro lines will not substitued trams.
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Odeslatod Návštěvník v 28.6.2005 0:33

http://www.metroweb.cz/tram/navrhyTT.htm


[...]

TT Muzeum - Můstek, TT Náměstí Republiky - Národní Třída
Výstavba v plánu: 2009-2011
Dotčené linky: není známo
Tato stavba bude pravděpodobně navazovat na rekonstrukci Nuselského mostu a posunutí magistrály za budovu Muzea.

[...]


This is the project, I´m really interested in. I think these would be reactivations of old tram routes, which were closed due to the inauguration of the metro, right?

Is the schedule (2009-2011) realistic? Is it already agreed by the town council? I would be very glad, if the tram came back to the heart of Prague.

Do you know any links to historic maps of the Prague tram network? The oldest I know is from 1981 ( http://people.freenet.de/pragstraba/images/Bauplan/Prag_1981.gif).
Was there a tram route between Central Station and Muzeum before metro line A was opened?

Do you know any lists of closes tram routes in Prague?

Are there any plans to close tram lines in Prague (e.g. because of new metro routes)?

Thanks! :) [/quote][/url]
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Odeslatod M_V v 27.6.2005 21:06

Brej den, raději bych tu viděl probírat tramvajovou trať ze Šárky na letiště, která by ve srovnání s metrem mohla stát raz dva a odlehčila by Evropskou od autobusů, ale to metro minimálně na Červený vrch by se stalo naprostou nutností, protože ve špičkách jsem měl problém zavřít dveře, jak bylo narváno... Taky bych klidně přestavěl buštěhradskou dráhu na tramvaj, bylo by hned spojení Masaryčka-Hradčanská-Veleslavín-letiště Ruzyně... a co já si myslím o dočasnosti smyčky na Barrandově...? Sovětská vojska tu taky byla jen dočasně :D
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Odeslatod syverin v 27.6.2005 10:39

Ðuro Ðakovic napsal:Are there any plans to build new tram lines in the center of Prague? I have heard about the some projects, but I don´t know any details.
I´m sorry for writing in English, but I´m from Germany.
Thank you very much.
Hi! In fact there are plans to make a new tram line along upper part of Wenzelsplatz (near the nice St.Wenzel statue), from Vinohradská to Jindřišská, and many people dream about another lines on street Na Příkopě or in front of the Main station. However, those lines are more utopic.
What I have to say that there are plans to make a Mini-bus network inside Old town to offer any public transport there, like in Vienna.
Do not mind writing in English, This web is made to answer any question, no matter in which language. German will also be possible (mir macht es ein Bisschen Problem, ich habe keine Deutsch etwa 9 Monaten gesprochen)
P.S. Můžete mu napsat někdo více?
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Odeslatod Ðuro Ðakovic v 26.6.2005 19:34

Are there any plans to build new tram lines in the center of Prague? I have heard about the some projects, but I don´t know any details.


I´m sorry for writing in English, but I´m from Germany.


Thank you very much.
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