Rusko a země bývalého SSSR

[Damir Holas]

Yesterday the line was opened, since today it works properly
The first tram on the line http://stts.mosfont.ru/photo.php?pid=56876
The line http://tram-sos.narod.ru/images/IMG_4982l.jpg

Opět si dovolím překlad

Včera byla linka otevřena, ode dneška je zaveden pravidelný provoz.
První tramvaj na trati: odkaz
Linka: odkaz

Konec hlášení v českém jazyce

[Anton_H]

Yesterday the line was opened, since today it works properly
The first tram on the line http://stts.mosfont.ru/photo.php?pid=56876
The line http://tram-sos.narod.ru/images/IMG_4982l.jpg

[Anton_H]

Nove fotky z rekonstrukce trati rychlej tramjaje
http://forum.metropoliten.kiev.ua/viewt ... 4670#74670 (c)AMY
Ta tramvaj - KCB-2 - maji naftovy motor a muze pracovat bez napajeci vodica

[Damir Holas]

To neni firma... To je structurova cast podniku "Ukrajinske zeleznice".
Uz spatne pomnim cestinu

Díky za upřesnění!

[Anton_H]

...

firmou Southern Railways of Ukraine (= Ukrajinské jižní železnice (?)

To neni firma... To je structurova cast podniku "Ukrajinske zeleznice".
Uz spatne pomnim cestinu

[MF]

To by naš řidiči nerozchodili. Některým vadí i to, že musí udělat půl kola před zatažením s prasklou žárovkou, která osvětluje ručičkový tachograf a hrozně se diví, že jim nikoho nepošlu...

[Damir Holas]

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Pokus o překlad výše uvedeného, není to rozhodně doslovný, ale snad vyhovující

Stav tramvajové dopravy je dost špatný. Na pravém břehu Dněpru bylo velké množství tratí zrušeno a ty zbývající jsou dnes velmi neoblíbené, zejména pro nízkou rychlost. Koleje jsou velmi zničené. Rychlostní limit 10 km/h je pro Kyjev typický. Vozy z Kurenivské vozovny jezdí zejména sólo, je tu jen pár dvouvozových souprav.
Jediná provozovaná linka na pravém břehu Dněpru je "rychlá tramvaj" č. 1 a 3 ze zastávky Borshagivka k hlavnímu vlakovému nádraží. Jezdí tu pouze dvouvozové soupravy v intervalu 2 - 3 minuty. Ve skutečnosti ale tato trasa rychlá není - koleje jsou staré 30 let a je tu mnoho omezení na 10 - 15 km/h.
V současnosti se trasa rekonstruuje, ale velmi pomalu (nyní se pracuje každý den, ale po dobu 3 - 4 měsíců nebyl na staveništi nikdo.

Následují odkazy na fotky

Fotky jsou od AMY z kyjevského fóra. Rekonstrukce je prováděna firmou Southern Railways of Ukraine (= Ukrajinské jižní železnice (?)
Levobřežní provoz je stále populární. Je tu mnoho linek a hodně z nich obsluhují dvouvozové soupravy T3 a T6B5. Stav kolejí je o hodně lepší, protože vozovna Darnytske má pracovní vozy pro jejich údržbu, což umožňuje některým tramvajím rychlou jízdu, ale jen některým z nich. Mnoho vozů je ve špatném stavu. Důvod je jednoduchý: vozovna Darnytske zajišťuje provoz všech linek na levém břehu Dněpru. Není jiná šance, než používat tramvaje bez světel, s nefunkčními motory (co se týče souprav 2x T6B5, jen vzácně jim fungují všechny motory, v některých případech je v chodu jen polovina z nich) atd.
Ale vše se zlepšuje: čekáme na první nové tramvaje, trasy na ulicích Glybochytska (nejhorší trať v Kyjevě), Dmytrivska, Frunze a Podil budou rekonstruovány. A doufám, že vozovna Darnytske dostane brzy dost peněz na opravy tramvají.

[Absolut]

Angličtinu klidně, ale až zejtra, teď nemám na to čas a za hodinu musim slézt z netu.

[fricoolinek2]

Nechce to někdo překládat?

[Anton_H]

Thank you very much for your answers.
I've got one more question for you: Can you tell us more about the tram-routes condition in Kyjiv?

Sorry for the late answer: I had too many work to do.
The condition is rather bad. On the right side of the Dniper a large amount of routes was destroyed. The rest are unpopular today mainly because of the low speed: the metals are very exhausted. The speed limit "10 km/h" is typical for Kyiv The Kurenivske depot tramcars work mainly alone, there are few two-tramcar sets.
The only powerful tram line on the right side of Dniper is "rapid tram" #1,#3 from Borshagivka to the Main Railway Station. There work only sets of 2 tramcars with 2-3 minutes interval. But the line isn't rapid in fact: the metals are 30-years old and there are lots of 10-15 km/h limits.
Today this line is being reconstructed but very slowly (now they are working every day, but for 3-4 month there was nobody on the construction).
http://www.picatom.com/g/DSC_8890-1.html
http://www.picatom.com/g/DSC_8892-1.html
http://www.picatom.com/g/DSC_8895-1.html
http://www.picatom.com/g/DSC_8929-1.html
http://www.picatom.com/g/DSC_8941-1.html
http://www.picatom.com/g/DSC_8943-1.html
http://www.picatom.com/g/DSC_8927-1.html
Photos by AMY from Kyiv forum. The reconstruction is provided by Southern Railways of Ukraine.
The left-side tram is still popular. There are lots of routes, many of them are serviced by two-tramcar sets T3 and T6B5. The metals are rather good because Darnytske depot has the special tramcars that smooth the metals. It allows some trams move fast. BUT there are few of them. The large part of left-side trams is in bad condition. It can be explained easilly: Darnytske depot services all the left-side routes. It has no other choice than to use trams without light, with unworking engines (rare set of 2xT6B5 has all engines working, in some cases only half of them works properly) etc.

But now everything is moving to good: we wait for the first new trams, the lines on Glybochytska (the worst line in Kyiv), Dmytrivska, Frunze and Podil streets will be reconstructed - there are orders of Kyiv major. And I hope that Darnytske depot will soon get enough money to repair the trams.

[Vladmir]

Anton_H:
Last question is again not from Ukraine - do you know the cities where still operates RVZ-6 trams? I saw them in some photos set from Belarus 2005...

Omlouvam se za negramotnost v cestine a nerychlou repliku na dotaz o vozech RVZ-6. Predevsim je treba poznamenat ze nyni v provozu zustaly pouze vozy typu RVZ-6M2, je to jiz druha modernizace puvodnich RVZ-6. Samotne vozy RVZ-6 se objevily v roce 1960. Prvni modernizace se uskutecnila v roce 1966 (RVZ-6M), jejiz behem byly opraveny podvozky (vcetne motoru a prevodovek). Vsak vozy RVZ-6M (stejne jako predchudci RVZ-6) zustavaly neschopnymi k mnohoclennemu rizeni a tuto chybu vyresila v roce 1974 modernizace na typ RVZ-6M2.
Provoz RVZ-6M2 v Minsku (Belorusko) se urychlene blizi k zaveru. Nove a usporni tuzemske vozy AKSM-60102 vytlacuji odporove “veterany”. Koncem unora roku 2008 vyjizdely na linky cca 10 vozu typu RVZ-6M2, prestoze v roce 2006 jich pocet dosahoval az na 52 kusu (viz http://bytrans.net/tram/htm/rvz6m2.html). Je pravdepodobne ze definitivne opusti ulici Minsku este pred letem.
V Rusku provoz RVZ-6M2 zatim splnuji nasledujici mesta:
1. Ufa (Hlavni mesto Baskortastanu, nachazi se pobliz hranice s Asii, vsak este v Evrope ) – 26 vozu.
2. Salavat (Baskortastan, cca 155 km od Ufy) – 30 vozu.
3. Osinniki (Kemerovska oblast, Sibir) – 7 vozu.
4. Angarsk (Irkutska oblast, Sibir) - 7 vozu, zde provoz se zrejme priblizuje k zaveru (anebo je jiz ukoncen).
5. Chabarovsk (Dalny vychod) - 32 vozy.
6. Komsomolsk-Na-Amuru (Dalny vychod) – 22 vozy.
7. Vladivostok (Dalny vychod) - 14 vozu.
Podklady podle http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/cities.php. Bohuzel, v souvislosti s uctyhodnym vekem skutecny pocet vozu RVZ-6M2 muze byt mensim.
Nakonec davam odkazy na obrazkove stranky meho pritele:
Ufa 23.07.06. http://fotoplenka.ru/users/sansanich0/288146/
Ufa 22.07.06 http://fotoplenka.ru/users/sansanich0/287826/
Salavat 25.07.06 http://fotoplenka.ru/users/sansanich0/288460/
Osinniki 10.07.06 http://fotoplenka.ru/users/sansanich0/269326/
Chabarovsk 27.06.07 http://fotoplenka.ru/users/sansanich0/357443/
Komsomolsk-Na-Amuru 26.06.07 http://fotoplenka.ru/users/sansanich0/357440/
Vladivostok 25.06.07 http://fotoplenka.ru/users/sansanich0/357439/
Vladivostok 24.06.07 http://fotoplenka.ru/users/sansanich0/332619/
Zakladni stranka http://fotoplenka.ru/users/sansanich0/?page=1

[Blackfire]

Thank you very much for your answers.

I've got one more question for you: Can you tell us more about the tram-routes condition in Kyjiv?

[Anton_H]

So Juzhmash builds new trams in sample of T6B5? Or they just fix the engines?

K1are NEW trams

By the way, don`t you know, how many ex-Prague trams are in Ukraine?

I know only about 11 T3 in Kryvy Rig

One more thing: why Kyiv doesn`t hunt for new trams?

Kyiv started to hunt There was a presentation of Siemens Combino http://tram.org.ua/siemens/ The city Major promised to buy 100 Combinos up to 2011.

Do they want to use only metro and cars?

OFFTOPIC: You know, only trams are in bad condition in Kyiv now, because since 2005 Kyiv bought 200 buses CityLAZ 12, 55 Trolleybuses ElectoLAZ 12, 100 trolleybuses ElectroLAZ 20

Kyiv
Sensation:

Kyiv announced tender for producing 5 articuladed 3-section tramcars for the price of $740K. The price is known, so the city gowernment already knows the producer, but we will know it only after 27.03
It is too high price for Tatra-Jug K1M8, which can cost up to $600K IMHO. The tender can be announced for LAZ, as it was going to produce the first tram in Sping.
Why sensation? Because those trams will be the first new tramcars in Kyiv since 1994, when the city bought 2 Tatra-Jug T6B5

[Blackfire]

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[Anton_H]

I have some questions about the K1 trams, which really seems to be redesigned T6B5/T3M, but got no time for thinking about it now... Just a little bit... How many trams of this type have been producet yet? In which cities do they operate? I´m planning a trip to Ukraine and want to see those trams.

"Tatra-Jug" was created by "Tatra" and "JuMZ" ( this plant buildt rockets and trolleybuses) as a joint company. The plant started to produce licensed T6B5 in the original body, with original parts. But when "Tatra" disappeared it was deciaded to localise T6B5. The TV3 system was changed to IBGT-transistor system, the engines where changed to ukrainian ones. The first K1 came to Kyiv in 2001, but the city had anti-tram direction, so Kyiv didn't take it. (http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photo.php?id=988) Than in 2003 some K1 (two, as I know) were built in T6B5 body. And only in 2004 K1 got its design (http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/models/K1.jpg)
Strarting from the Kryvy Rig tramcars (and including them) K1 have new doors like K1M8 http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/models/k1-m8_2.jpg
So, as you see K1 is not only redesigned, it has another filling
About the quantity, site http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/compact.php?mid=41 says that there are 55 K1

I saw some pictures of similar trams on railfunpicture.net from Belarus city Minsk (which is not very friendly to visit), are they the same?

No, Bjelarus produses its own tramcars at Bjelkommunmash http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photo.php?file=AKSM60102.jpg

There are some T3 trams in Krivy Rog rebuilt from Prague´s T3 in 90´s. Do you know the numbers and if they are still operating?

053-063 are from Prague, but I don't know, are all of them in service now Some - are.

Last question is again not from Ukraine - do you know the cities where still operates RVZ-6 trams? I saw them in some photos set from Belarus 2005...

I know that RVZ-6 are still in service in Minsk(Bjelarus) and Ufa(Russia). Are they in service in any others cities - I don't know.